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Post by zeldafan30 on Nov 14, 2018 18:33:19 GMT
Okay, so I know that before, we writers kept talking about what our protags would be written like private. I also know there were some complaints about it, so I wanna discuss that with all of you guys. Currently, the official write-up for jupiterboy has not changed yet ( this is it btw). Nothing has been added, nothing has been removed. We do have a pitch coming from fatalzeph that was given to us a little bit after the poll closed which is here. I will say this: In the private chat for writers we voted that jupiterboy should not be hidden royalty Kinda sucks, because I wanted to make it work, but oh well. BUT, I do have a proposal. In Zeph's writeup he details that the parents who raised him aren't blood-related to him. I think that this idea could very well be implemented in jupiterboys backstory, hidden royalty or not. It would bring up some personal conflict with him because in my pitch I stated "he wants the best for everybody and he cares about his family more than anyone else." But that's just me talking. What do you guys think? |
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Post by WitchRolina on Nov 14, 2018 18:41:44 GMT
What did I say about having important conversations in private chats? Do you want inter-team strife? Because this is how you get inter-team strife. Always say no to office politics!
Still, I do agree with their decision. Not overly fond of hidden royalty, ever since LotR made it a standard go-to. I wouldn't be against him being either nobility or perhaps some kind of connections to a political power (I don't think we know what political system the setting would have yet - for all we know we'll write about a Theocracy. If we do... please don't do the "corrupt religion must die" trope. I swear that's the only religion that ever exists in media...). There's ways to have the theme, without him being some kind of "will ascend to power and reclaim his throne", and just have a nice wholesome "reunited with family" trope.
I'm all for a lost son reuniting with family. Bonus points if both of his families kind of come together for it. Wholesome fantasy is best fantasy. :D
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Post by fatalzeph on Nov 14, 2018 18:57:35 GMT
I think that would be very interesting. Giving him a quest to search for his parents would be a bit heartwarming so I'm all up for it. I still think we should keep that kingdom lore and use it for something else if we can.
I'm not sure why every one is against royalty. But this isn't your typical Royalty story. He isn't destined for anything great nor he is the chosen one for anything. This is more like a curse to him that he has to deal with since its his bloodline. He's the prince to corrupted fallen kingdom with a corrupted evil queen who's waiting for him. This causes internal conflict that causes him to deal with it.
That's just my take on it though. I understand if you guys don't like it. Thanks for giving criticism to the idea. I appreciate it!
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capy
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Post by capy on Nov 14, 2018 19:35:47 GMT
We aren't using that one are we? I thought we voted on farmboy from Zeldafan, didn't see any discussion at all about this other proposal. I could see noble house stuff maybe working, IMO I was aiming more for that to be the story of Venus (riches to rags kinda thing due to his own hubris or actions). I think if we keep Jupiter to just farmboy that could be interesting considering he has a loving and large family and seems like more of a simple man than the other characters. His motivations should mainly stem from being a protector to Talia and to chase down the antagonists after the events at the trial.
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Post by zeldafan30 on Nov 14, 2018 20:08:14 GMT
WitchRolina Sorry :( We only got Zeph's pitch yesterday and I wasn't thinking about letting everyone know what it could bring to the table until today. Just in case you are wondering if anything else happened in there: we only talked about using zeph's ideas from his pitch about jupiterboy in that private chat since the closing of the poll we had. Basically, everything I stated in the original post was the only things that we talked about. When I got home from class I was like "oh crap I need to let people know what we are doing in here so they don't get confused." So... yeah, sorry again :( capy no we aren't using zeph's pitch as the official one. We are still using mine, but we are editing it to add some more stuff for his backstory. That's where zeph's pitch comes in since I kinda want to use his idea for it. I know I shoulda let y'all know about it last night but I wasn't thinking ;-; but I decided to do it now than to wait any longer so you guys can be in the know.
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Post by WitchRolina on Nov 14, 2018 21:24:53 GMT
Seriously, writers. Stop using the private chat for anything other than internal structural issues, and if you're gonna make decisions, take them slowly so that people who have work, school, sleep, and timezone things getting in the way have a chance to check things out and give their input. And do so by putting it on the forums and giving it a decent time for the voting. I set my polls at a week's length for a reason.
And to think people gave me a hard time with all the "we're only a week in stop rushing" stuff...
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PK_Water
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Post by PK_Water on Nov 14, 2018 22:33:09 GMT
I thought we had agreed on a system where ideas would be developed in writer chat, then posted to public chat, but that seems to not work. I don't know where it went wrong exactly, but I'm pretty sure I can say that we'll try our best not to make it happen again by making extra sure all ideas are known to the entire working team before any decision has to be made, and when the decisions are to be made, that they will be made with more time to vote or choose. However, please keep in mind that the story is important to have early, and will have a say in many other ideas in this project, and as such should be done quickly.
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Post by jysaw on Nov 14, 2018 23:33:45 GMT
here we go with this nonsense again. why even bring the private chats back when this is what we have to deal with? we are the writers it should be left to us to decide things like this. it shouldnt be a problem that were using the WRITING chat to do it. kill the private chats im seriously gettin sick of this. that aside not feelin this one i vote we make him blood related.
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Post by Falgor on Nov 15, 2018 5:51:35 GMT
About royalty, I'm not too fond of the idea personally. It's a very common trope, Dark Dawn's second party was entirely made of some princes and princesses basically. Plus I feel like it doesn't fit Jupiterboy the best, considering what his personality seems to be. It would complicate him a bit much for the kind of guy he's supposed to be. Him not being blood-related to his family is an acceptable middle ground to me, even though I don't know how we could make him find his actual family (but I'm sure others will have good ideas). Then for the royalty if it's a popular idea, I quite like the reverse take capy mentioned, "riches to rags due to hubris" for another character, possibly Venus. Would give a good explanation on why he knows how to fight when he's encountered. |
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Post by WitchRolina on Nov 15, 2018 16:04:03 GMT
here we go with this nonsense again. why even bring the private chats back when this is what we have to deal with? we are the writers it should be left to us to decide things like this. it shouldnt be a problem that were using the WRITING chat to do it. kill the private chats im seriously gettin sick of this. that aside not feelin this one i vote we make him blood related. This. The whole reason we had so many people getting all butthurt about the arbitrary team thing with one-role-per-person is because of writer private chat being used for things it shouldn't be. Now we have issues where major decisions are being made behind peoples' backs. If that's how it's gonna be used, purge em. If they wanted to use it for structural reasons as I said they were supposed to use them, then tough - this is on them. If you want to give direction, use DMs. Want to set up structure? Use the forums. |
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